“Since the Edward Snowden and WikiLeaks information has come out, you would be naïve not to anticipate that governments might be doing this,” he told Democracy Now! on Wednesday. “But, you know, it’s one thing sort of knowing that governments might be doing that; it’s another thing having it confirmed by looking at these cables.”

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He referenced Mahatma Gandhi’s line: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win.”

“They’re not ignoring us,” Naidoo continued, “They’re not laughing at us. They’re fighting us really, really hard—not, you know, just this case, but in India and elsewhere. And we are also going to take some comfort at the fact that our campaigning in the broader environmental movement—and, by the way, this is not just Greenpeace that is impacted, but other environmental groups, as well as other civil society groups.”

“I would urge us to take some comfort to say that we are winning the argument. Those who are holding us back are getting desperate. And I would see this as more an act of desperation rather than act of strength on the part of the governments in question,” he said.

See Naidoo’s full segment on Democracy Now! below:

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